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Old 02-10-2010, 06:01 AM   #61
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Ahhh, kay. Just wondering because I do the same with Plank and AP TF. Get Two Avarice Blades/Three Kage's, build up gold, sell for shiny items.
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Old 02-10-2010, 08:54 AM   #62
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Mostly. It's 3,900 gold for 4, which gives +800 HP, 20 gold per 10 seconds, and 188 extra armor.
Do you realize that a heart of gold takes over half an hour to pay itself off? Even if you sell it back like you're eventually supposed to, a heart of gold takes at least eight minutes to start turning a profit (depending on what the sellback rate is, and I'm being really generous and assuming the sellback rate is 75%). Seeing as how most games don't last too much longer than half an hour, buying a heart of gold after the twenty minute mark (and you will be, because Alistar is one of the worst farmers in the game) is a waste of time.

And seriously, that's an awful exchange rate for HP, seeing as a giant's belt is 1150 for +450. I won't even bother talking about armor because Alistar is already built in with an ultimate that renders him mostly immune to damage.

Not to mention that stacking hearts doesn't do anything for your mana pool, which Alistar desperately needs.
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:00 AM   #63
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I was dicking around mostly, I know it's a dumb thing to do. I was just fucking bored because I had been playing tanks all day. Normally I just go Warmog's and Sunfire cape and the game is over by then. Usually before the sunfire. And actually, I managed to get all 4 of those before the 20 minute mark each game. By that point we were wrapping the games up.

Also, I never have mana problems with Alistar except for the first maybe 10 minutes of the game. I tend to survive pretty well so I don't bother with the heal and my main focus is hitting pulverize/headbutt. Outside of that, I'm never really using mana.
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:19 AM   #64
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I normally get Tear first on Al and just spam roar. At that point my mana pool is huge and I'll later get arcs just so my heal and pulverize do more.

Which is now 50 Gold cheaper :U
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:48 AM   #65
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I unno, I just go straight tank stuff, so lots of health or health regen. I do the same thing with Amumu. Frankly, I hate playing tanks, but I'm usually forced to pick them unless I let the team suffer from shitty team dynamics and a lack of a tank. Sometimes this also sucks dick, because then there's an abundance of melee DPS. This is why I always play with at least one friend, so no matter how shitty of dynamics the rest of the people have, one of us can always fill the role of the tank or ranged DPS if need be.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:29 AM   #66
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Yeah. I find most of my losses do not stem from myself, but from very bad teammates :|
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:52 AM   #67
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I remember a few games of stupid teams including fighting an entire team of tanks, and another time an entire team of carries. One game the entire enemy team was tanks with disables, so we're talking Amumu, Alistar, Taric, and I can't remember the other two. They of course lost because they had no DPS.
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And people have the nerve to ask me why I hate this game.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:38 AM   #69
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Reminds me of when I started. Me and 2 of my friends started on the same day. So three level 1s, a level 10, and a level 14 against a 24, 28, 27, 20, and 14. We won.

But yeah, sometimes people just don't know what the fuck they're doing and that can usually be linked to level, so I'll give you that. Oh, and your team sucked dick.
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Old 02-10-2010, 08:24 PM   #70
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Oh god their teams item build why.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:02 PM   #71
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Mmm... delicious stupid ass damage. So, with my Ryze build, under ideal conditions, once I ult I hit 926 AP and deal 900 damage with a single overload. Of course, the standard, ult, prison, overload, flux, overload will kill anything in seconds. So, looking at it, that's 1,351 from the prison, 900 from the overload, 1307 damage assuming I manage to isolate a target, then another 900 from overload again. That's 4,458 damage in the course of 2.4 seconds under ideal conditions.

Awesome. Too bad that the game will long be over before I ever hit that point. I could of course increase the damage even further the longer the game continues and once I rune out like crazy.
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Old 02-11-2010, 05:28 AM   #72
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You factoring in Magic Resistance? Nobody really stacks it from what I've seen (sans tanks), but the amount needed to chop any incoming magic damage in half is a fairly low number; I think you can pull it off with just Chalice and Veil.

Then again, you did say idea conditions.
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:14 AM   #73
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Well the thing is that hitting an AP count that high requires a full soulstealer, and while that's not exactly unfathomable, by that point it means we're killing them so often, they don't really have a chance to start building up MR. Plus, I left out the mention of 40% magic penetration from Void Staff. But really, if I'm able to hunt individual people down to do that kind of stupid damage, the game was over before it started. In team fights, people would be dropping left and right. Theoretically, of course.

I've lost some games that should've been won because I had dumb as shit teammates. Most recently one where my team had near 60 kills to like 20 something. We lost because our Eve who was AFK initially came back, survived for a while, and then got waaaay too cocky and started trying to hunt pairs of people and would die spectacularly and ended up like 2/18/18. Then of course one person kept trying to get us to do Baron which lead to a team gank and us getting aced like twice from just that. Fiddlesticks had become so stupidly powerful by that point we all just kinda died once he showed up.
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:44 AM   #74
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Yeah, I had a twinge feeling you were running Void Staff on that build (god I love that item), but yeah you got that worked out downpat.

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and then got waaaay too cocky and started trying to hunt pairs of people and would die spectacularly
So, just like most Eve's then? :U
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:47 AM   #75
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Dohohoho... yeah...
I remember when I had my Fate down well enough I would hunt up to duos of people. My gold carding has gotten a bit rusty since then though.
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Old 02-11-2010, 05:28 PM   #76
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Sooooo... I just went 12/4/22 with Warwick. Am I pro yet?
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Old 02-12-2010, 04:07 AM   #77
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Totally.

Also, got mah Corki, time to play him into the ground.

OKay, so I'm debating on what priority on my Corki build. I'm building him a hybrid, items I have in mind are Tear into Arcs, Zerker greaves, TriForce, Black Cleaver, Rageblade.
Thinking go Tear > Boots > Phage > Zerks > Blasting > Rageblade > Blasting > Arcs > Zeal/Tri > Cleaver.

I just want to address Corki's attack speed early, but Phage is too good on Corki to not get early game. Thoughts?
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:01 PM   #78
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Thats it, I'm playing Eva forever to prevent bad ones from fucking up games.
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:45 PM   #79
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No me gusta, senor.

EDIT: Holy shit, we won that game

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Old 02-16-2010, 03:52 PM   #80
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Wait, I don't really see the problem with that team. Two tanks, a ranged DPS, a melee DPS, and uh... Eve. I don't really know what she counts as? A caster, but I feel like she's some form of DPS as well.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:38 PM   #81
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Yay, I went 22/4/6 with Shaco and lost! God fucking dammit.
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Old 02-17-2010, 03:31 AM   #82
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PSSSSSSSSST.

I play too. I main Jax
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Old 02-17-2010, 05:26 AM   #83
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Yay, I went 22/4/6 with Shaco and lost! God fucking dammit.
Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:49 PM   #84
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Eve is free, guess who I'm playing for the rest of the week :|
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Old 02-19-2010, 04:16 AM   #85
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Dead tired last night and I still manage to rattle off a win with Panth.

Good times.
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:02 PM   #86
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How long until someone makes a "DotA vs. LoL" game?
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:11 PM   #87
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Oh my god, I love Veigar. I love insta-killing people with him.
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Score. My first ever quadra kill.
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